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markb
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« Reply #120 on May 5, 2009, 5:55pm » | |
May 5, 2009, 11:54am, stevecd wrote:
Perhaps you could help us all by getting a list of business, charities, schools, residents etc who WANT a club like this !
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I have no idea, unlike you who claims: "A broad alliance of local residents, trade union representatives, local MPs and councillors,local charities, schools, and businesses "
Name the businesses in your alliance?
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« Reply #121 on May 7, 2009, 7:41pm » | |
Well for a start I run a local business and have been running a local children's charity in the area for the last 10 years, then there's the local business (within a 100yrds of the pub) which designed the leaflet for us for free because they felt so strongly about it, then there's the local child care project across the road who is concerend becuase of the children in their care and the reputation of the area.... I could go on.
Tell you what, why don't you come with us next Monday as we deliver flyers to local homes and busineses and you can see for yourself the feeling that this establishment has aroused in local people and see for yourself this "broad alliance".
This is not just about "not in my back yard" complaining, this is a serious issue about how we view the rights of women in our society, where establishments like this should be sited, the powers of local authorities being eroded, and how we want this area of economic regeneration to be portrayed.
It's easy to nit pick and prod- and of course we need good debate, - but do recognise that many people feel powerless and resigned to "developments" like these springing up and don't know how to complain or protest, online, at events or even to their councilllors.
I've put a link on the front page of STS website to this forum and hope more people will join the forum debate to express their views and listen with respect to those who have contrary opinions. Who knows we could even have debate event after the protest where we come together and discuss different views.
Best wishes
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« Reply #122 on May 11, 2009, 9:46am » | |
For info, I found the Barnes Wallis Centre hard to find the first time I went there. The meeting is tonight to collect the flyers for local distribution.
Here's a map.
http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srf?x=535....&ay=176689&lm=0
The entrance is the double doors near the "Wild" of Wild Goose Dr on the map.
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« Reply #123 on May 21, 2009, 9:18pm » | |
For anybody who is interested in showing their opposition to Unique's there is a planned demonstration tomorrow evening (Friday 22nd) outside the pub between 6-9pm. The stop the strip website has details.
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« Reply #124 on Jul 3, 2009, 5:07pm » | |
According to http://transpont.blogspot.com/ The White Hart is now a regular pub again!
The White Hart in New Cross has abandoned its short-lived conversion to a lap dancing Gentlemen's club, the focus for a Stop the Strip campaign that brought 100 people to a demonstration there on May 22 (pictured). One factor may have been advice that as a listed building, the pub was not permitted to have black out windows.
Anyway it's back open as a pub, so you don't have to be a particular kind of Gentleman to go there anymore. In fact on Sunday night, there's some more agreeable kind of dancing (to my taste) with a DJ playing funky house. Let's hope the pub survives, it's a good space in a key location in New Cross.
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« Reply #125 on Jul 3, 2009, 5:57pm » | |
100 people? They'll let anyone into University now, including those who cant count.
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« Reply #126 on Jul 3, 2009, 8:51pm » | |
Jul 3, 2009, 5:07pm, BillB wrote:
Let's hope that is true.
Quote:| One factor may have been advice that as a listed building, the pub was not permitted to have black out windows. |
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If that is true...
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« Reply #127 on Jul 4, 2009, 12:49pm » | |
Jul 3, 2009, 8:51pm, DanJ wrote:
The 'Stop the Strip' site says it is, but not why
http://www.stopthestrip.org/index2.html
LATEST LATEST NEWS - 2nd JULY 2009
The Lap Dancing Club which opened at the White Hart pub in the heart of New Cross is no longer operating and the owner has returned the pub to being a pub for all local people.
Thank you to all local residents who joined the Stop the Strip Campaign to call for this exploititive activity to cease. Thank you to all those who demonstrated, wrote letters, distributed flyers and worked so hard for the closure of this strip club at the heart of a residential area.
More news to follow....
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« Reply #128 on Aug 19, 2009, 10:01pm » | |
I've not had any joy finding out from the LBO, despite being the original complainant.
(and a little birdy tells me someone double-barrelled has been blowing a fake trumpet on that score).
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« Reply #129 on Aug 20, 2009, 8:00am » | |
Aug 19, 2009, 10:01pm, DanJ wrote:
(and a little birdy tells me someone double-barrelled has been blowing a fake trumpet on that score). |
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If you read the comments on Transponts post I think you'll find general agreement there ie that the bowing down has very little to do with the Stop The Strip Campaign, possibly more to do with economic circumstances. Perhaps a representative from Stop The Strip could elaborate.
http://transpont.blogspot.com/2009/07/last-lap-at-white-hart.html
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« Reply #130 on Aug 20, 2009, 10:36am » | |
I can't see how it would have had anything to do with Stop the Strip either.
I have no idea whether the listed building complaint was the reason or even a factor, but that had nothing to do with Stop the Strip - I raised it on here, made the first complaint to the LBO (copying in all the local councillors) and was the only person to mention it as an argument at the public meeting - and I didn't have anything to do with Stop the Strip. Nonetheless, someone double-barrelled is apparently claiming the credit for stopping it by thinking of making a listed building complaint!
Personally, I doubt it was the reason anyway, maybe a factor at most. I suspect the real reason was that it was a lousy business idea, in the wrong location, and poorly executed.
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« Reply #131 on Aug 20, 2009, 4:52pm » | |
Perhaps his brewery also had something to do with it, I guess a strip joint isn't good for the portfolio - the sign says 'Jack Beards at the White Hart', Jack Beards Ltd is registered at Companies House.
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« Reply #132 on Aug 20, 2009, 5:49pm » | |
Is that new, or old, I wonder. See p7 for more but they may be some intermediary management company or something who actually hold the lease.
I did eventually get a (brush off) reply from Mr Gullis:
Dear Mr [DanJ]
Thank you for your email.
This particular property is let on a free of tie lease - a letting that allows the occupying tenant to trade the business in their chosen style, without any input or involvement from the Wellington Pub Company or the owners of the property. Should the tenant choose to operate it as a lap dancing venue then, under the terms of the lease and providing the premises is operated within the law, there is nothing we can do about it. The benefits of the operation of the property go to the tenant and no additional income is received from the tenants except the rent under the lease agreement.
The above stated, we do not support this type of business and wish to see the usage brought to an end. However, where the Local Authority has licensed the premises to operate with that chosen style, there is nothing we can currently do about it. We will, however, keep the position under review.
Should you have further reason to dispute the licensable activity I could suggest that you take it up directly with the Licensing Department at your Local Authority offices.
Yours sincerely"
Peter Gullis
Operations Director
I pointed out that it wasn't lawful because he hadn't got the listed building consent which he needed, but unsurprisingly got no further response.
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« Reply #133 on Aug 22, 2009, 12:18pm » | |
Aug 20, 2009, 5:49pm, DanJ wrote:| Is that new, or old, I wonder. |
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I don't know, I've just seen a few 'Jack Beards at' signs in Islington, Bermondsey, Crystal Palace and at The White Hart so assumed it was part of a pub chain - I looked on the Companies House website and they do exist but perhaps they are only the beer supply part of the equation - the accounts could be revealing http://tinyurl.com/n4e47v
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« Reply #134 on Aug 29, 2009, 2:07pm » | |
Aug 20, 2009, 10:36am, DanJ wrote:I can't see how it would have had anything to do with Stop the Strip either.
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Joan Ruddock seems to credit them too [?] - http://tinyurl.com/mkbul3
Lap Dancing at the White Hart update 08/07/09 12:06
I was delighted to learn that as of Friday the 3rd of July there will be no more lapdancing at the White Hart Pub.
Last summer I opposed the granting of the licence for lap dancing at the White Hart in New Cross Gate and I was pleased that the council did not grant the licence. I was extremely disapointed that a licence was granted on appeal to Bromley Magistrates Court.
Residents have since mounted an extremely strong local campaign against having this club in a regeneration area and their tenacity has paid off. My sincere congratuations go to all who have been involved in the ‘Stop the Strip’ campaign.
I will continue to press for the legislation to be brought in at a national level to enable councils to treat lap dancing clubs as ‘sex encounter establishments’.
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